tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34690855.post3851830359721059304..comments2024-03-24T10:57:10.838-04:00Comments on Get the Flick: Slow LearnersDon Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10219887691182501386noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34690855.post-26708355544937597272012-04-14T11:36:33.050-04:002012-04-14T11:36:33.050-04:00RC,
"(It's not that easy to talk clearly...RC,<br /><br />"(It's not that easy to talk clearly into one of those things)"<br /><br />Another reason to use standard phraseology -- *all the time*. <br /><br />As I used to tell controllers, "It's never a problem -- until it's a problem." I've seen dozens of these things. And right when it counts -- when the chips are down and we need everything to work -- sloppy phraseology *habits* bite us in the butt.<br /><br />Don BrownDon Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10219887691182501386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34690855.post-74797502551872814602012-04-12T15:33:29.528-04:002012-04-12T15:33:29.528-04:00Oh Don, I feel like this sometimes, at our Air Tra...Oh Don, I feel like this sometimes, at our Air Traffic Control Facility. Both the young turks who can't possibly have something go south on them, because they're invincible, and the older hands who are too cool for their own good use phraseology that makes me wince... Things like saying 'my bad' to a crew when the pilots point out the error of the atco's ways, or transferring aircraft to the next sector/center simply by saying 'contact on 1xx.xxx' without ever using the next station's radio call sign. I guess it is cooler that way, never mind that it goes against all accumulated wisdom and ICAO standards and recommended practices... Sadly, the pilots up there are increasingly slacking off on their standard phraseology also. I almost find myself profusely congratulating the one crew per day who manages to make a perfect initial call. I am really happy when they use the word <b>flight level</b> or just simply <b>level</b> before stating the digits of their cleared altitude (as in descend to flight level two six zero, and not descend t(w)o six zero). To top it all off, lately, the use of radio call sign has become all too often entirely superfluous. Amongst the 20 aircraft that are routinely occupying the frequency, I am to remember the particular accent of the crew and hope that it was the correct one that answered my instruction... Yes, I know we have a lot of whizz-bang gizmos down in our atc-center, and we can read a lot of what your aircraft most helpfully tells us via Mode S, but that is not an excuse for maintaining good phraseology practice. And, Don, like you, I have had the pleasure of participating in simulator training sessions for airline crew. Correct phraseology and informing ATC as a matter of course were some serious afterthoughts, and rarely corrected. So, errors breed, like a virus. The next guy/gal that comes along thinks that the inappropriate phraseology sounds real cool and slick, and so the world turns... And sometimes the holes in the cheese line up for some unfortunate souls...elpelsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07449323244322270959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34690855.post-69641672516312133332012-04-08T18:07:47.141-04:002012-04-08T18:07:47.141-04:00I listened to the recording and 5912 comes through...I listened to the recording and 5912 comes through pretty clearly considering that the pilot was probably wearing a pressure O2 mask. (It's not that easy to talk clearly into one of those things). Furthermore a crew in that situation has lot more to do than to just talk to ATC. Controllers need to realize this.RChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04815141161296670324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34690855.post-43347130364709351992012-04-08T11:38:09.490-04:002012-04-08T11:38:09.490-04:00You Sir are 100% correct.You Sir are 100% correct.johnkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797254176882970091noreply@blogger.com